Ok, so I have a tweet that's getting kind of popular on birbsite and I want to share the essence here too:
A guy tweeted that MySpace had lost all the music uploaded to it from 2003-2015. " An entire archive just... gone, forever."
So... this is your periodic reminder that uploading stuff to a website isn't an archive.
"As an artist that stores their art on twitter and a lot of art related sites. This troubles me deeply. Imagine if Twitter or even Youtube did this. Every video gone forever."
And just holy yikes, y'all. This gave me palpitations.
Please don't think of uploading/sharing stuff as "storing" it on any of these sites--twitter/tumblr/etc. There's no good retrieval process, you don't control compression, etc. It's nice to access stuff one's shared for resharing but not storage.
Do you have a contract to stop them from deleting that data? A retrieval mechanism to get you files at original quality? Some kind of data management or long-term plan?
It's not an archive, it's your content hitching a ride as long as it's useful for the site. As long as it's profitable. In whatever format it's profitable. Hence MySpace clearing server space.
If you DO have a Soundcloud, etc., consider checking out Preserve This Podcast http://preservethispodcast.org/ and learning more about what you might do to preserve your own files.
@platypus ...I should backup my poetry
@CorvusRobotica yes! Please do!
@platypus seriously ya, like YouTube is famous for recompressing old videos over and over and they literally get worse over time
@June oh gosh yes. And I don't even know how to download my own videos from YouTube (which is fine) because i'm not relying on them for anything
Only for the embarrassing moments. Good moments are guaranteed to get lost.
Sorry, I don't make the rules
@platypus ooof that… feels painful to read ☹
@platypus At least youtube lets downloads of files -- not the originals, compressed ones, but that's something.
This makes me things about all the videos I uploaded and realize that I don't know how to archive videos -- do I just save final file, or all the raw footage, work files and final file and then run out of storage.
@platypus Art: you keep the original files, without watermark or your URL, and NOT shrunk or compressed to save bandwidth for online viewing. Then you make backups. Multiple.
Keep one somewhere you don't live, in case your house burns down.
@platypus also, if it's digital art, don't flatten the layers in your archive files.
Traditional art: You keep the originals in a dry, mould-free, fire-safe, lockable, closed-off container that should also be cat-proof (I learned that last bit the hard way). But before you store them there, you scan them on a flatbed scanner, check color accuracy in case of color originals, at a minimum of 600 DPI (1200 is better if possible). Then you treat the scanned files as above.
@Reinderdijkhuis Ooof cat-proof.
I hear you there, yes.
@Reinderdijkhuis @Anke @platypus incidentally, if you are planning on your house catching fire, glass is great for protecting photos and art from smoke damage, but the heat can make inks smear and run. We have some family photos with some wonderful /awful horror movie effects from aforementioned fire.
Be warned, there's a good chance pictures will be stuck to the glass, but if you have several in the same frame, the ones in back will mostly be ok
@narF @Anke @platypus @aldersprig even ephemeral works are usually documented in some way, by photo/video. In which case you should treat the files like they were master copies of digital work as described above- largest file size you can stand, no watermarks, and backed up to at least one hard drives that does not live in your house.
@platypus People really think that way?! Eek. Unless you make the ephemerality part of the art...
...it just seems like you're exhibiting napkin doodles and expecting them to be as durable as canvas.
@priryo Personally, I love the idea of ephemerality!
BUT I have a strong feeling most people don' tthink this way.
I know this now but I wish I was more aware of this when I was younger because I would have had a better starting portfolio.
I'd also say this applies to devices too. Don't just be content keeping photos on your camera.. Replicate across various media/devices. Add redundancy. Etc.
@mrjunge yeah, I think a lot of the way we talk about stuff needs to be more intentional and clear between what's sharing and what's saving. Sharing is great! But it's not saving.
@platypus I'm not surprised. Many people out there are still relatively new to computers - there's barely a differentiation for many between storing things and sharing things.
And it's getting worse, too. How many songs, videos and images have now been edited on a phone or tablet without any physical backup at all? When that tablet dies, these people will lose EVERYTHING.
@platypus holy shit people actually use sites with shitty compression as storage? Oh dang.
I have a double local backup and an offsite backup of all my photos and I’m still worried I’ll lose them somehow.
@platypus @FutureLuddite seriously, we've already seen Tumblr go part of the way with the NSFW content ban - at any point they could decide to delete it completely rather than storing it hidden
(or for Verizon to decide to shut it down altogether)
Even a website that I control, I still upload resized files - and my hosting provider could decide they suddenly don't like me
@platypus yet another reason why the trained assumption that social media posts last forever is a Bad Idea
@platypus any of you that are currently "storing" your work on tumblr, use this tutorial to grab a backup of your posts: https://github.com/bbolli/tumblr-utils/blob/master/tumblr_backup_for_beginners.md
Don't be intimidated by the command line stuff, it's very quick and you can copy/paste the examples given.
The process is identical for macs, just make sure you pick the Mac version of Python to download, and the command line program is called Terminal instead.
@platypus I wish more people understood this! i try to back up all the youtube channels i like, and i assume everything on twitter is temporary
@platypus All online 'storage' is fleeting.
@platypus Do we even know it was accidental? MySpace's initial announcement said nothing about a mistake. Maybe they just didn't feel like paying to store it anymore.
@freakazoid I absolutely don't think it was accidental. Streaming availability is expensive. Maintenance is a PITA. If it's not being used profitably, they have no contract or reason to keep it.
@platypus I remember when I started trying to print out everything I had posted on my fiction blog - more than 10 years ago.
(of course, almost everything there is stored elsewhere as well).
@aldersprig ironically, the only emails I have from early convos with my husband are the ones I printed!
@platypus I still have the parts I printed! It’s just… OMG that was literally before I moved to Ithaca, so, uh… ‘07 at the latest? before I really started writing in earnest.
That reminds me that myspace still exists
as a PSA: if ur a digital artist and thus far you've been relying on websites for 'storing' your art, please please get yourself a passport. you can get a TB of external memory for like 60 dollars, they come in fun colors, hyper portable, and if you run out of space in like 4 years you can just get a new one and start labeling them. my photography professor recommended them to me and I have appreciated it immensely.
@platypus some of this also maybe ties into the "well, who's the customer and who's the product"
users never get guarantees 'cause they're not the customers. not really, and iirc in at least one recent issue maybe not legally.
@platypus I didn't even know People thought it was a storage place
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