Hey folks -- who do you think does Codes of Conduct really well? Can you share links? I've got a bunch collected but I am sure I'm missing some!

Relatedly -- do you have favorite examples of social expectations which _aren't_ codes of conduct (e.g. things that are more aspirational about how we should BE together but aren't codes of conduct because you shouldn't enforce aspirations in the same way you'd respond to harmful behaviors)?

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@platypus Hi, you might already have this but I thought that the DLF Forum code of conduct was very well considered.

@jc yes, thank you! We're a DLF group so we'll be operating under that. However as it's also a grant-funded forum we're hoping to expand.

@platypus A lot of it seems to be in the, well "enforcement" isn't the right word, "ways in which they are operationalised". Both in terms of actually taking it seriously, but also in the ways new users, etc, are guided in their conduct, ideally prior to it being an issue. There's lots of marvelously worded codes in very toxic places and vice versa.

@ox yes, definitely. We don't want to make it too wordy or too overwhelming and focus on how we make sure it has a positive effect

@ox on reflection, too, it really is a struggle not to try to say literally everything in it.

@platypus 😀 It's difficult to "turn into code" societal expectations, isn't it? Especially given how diverse a set of starting places. Maybe something like chaperones, pairing, or mentors might work in many cases longer-term?

@platypus This is extremely inside baseball and not a GLAM example, but the recent Columbia Falls Statement was written by a couple DSA members about the divisions within the organization and I think it resonated with a lot of people

@platypus Worth noting that this statement has not been universally received well, which speaks more to the depth of current divisions than anything else (I happen to like and support much of the statement)

@TeamMidwest I really appreciate the local-governance/ecosystem aspects and lack of top-down... also yes holy shit yes addressing race, institutionalism in labor, re: Bernie I hope to heck that's not a FUTURE campaign and just the past one. Because I can agree on past but like not another run.

It def confuses me at times that DSA is apparently not more just-local with national mostly coordinating...

@platypus there is an entire genre of Medium essays where people are beefing about the future of DSA (both nationally and within their local chapters). Some of them are obnoxious, some of them are amazing, all of them are fascinating to read. There's gotta be dozens at this point.

@platypus I w orked on one for the Pepper&Carrot Community. I borrowed liberally from the Rust Code of Conduct:

Here's the posting that David made about it, and some of the struggles we went through in adopting it:

Not sure if we're exemplary, but it fit for our community.

@platypus I think my instance's Code of Conduct is an interesting example of informal-but-still-detailed-enough:

@platypus I like the Contributor Covenant Code of Conduct, which is pretty popular on GitHub.

My "favorite" example of a not-really-CoC is what the SQLite folks tried passing off as a CoC a while ago (which they've now renamed a "Code of Ethics"). and

One thing i like about the one on is the list of "expected behavior" in addition to it setting clear boundaries

@Portablecity we’ll have something like that but some have pointed out that this can become a problem because if they’re not modeling a positive behavior because someone just said something racist, it becomes a repeat of a scenario where the wronged person is judged as much for their emotional reaction as the other person for their emotion. Theirs are good stuff and a bit less of the kind which could be abused, but it’s a thing I hadn’t considered before starting reading about enforcement.

I see what you're saying! I do think DMG's avoids much of the risk of being tone policing, but I acknowledge it's still there in some capacity! However, IME even COCs that explicitly only list unwelcome behavior can be wielded against someone vulnerable if their harasser's behavior isn't witnessed but their response is.

@Portablecity definitely. and that's one reason we're reading the enforcement book. no matter how many good words we write, a lot comes down to what we do with it. I'm hopeful because our group is going to be small and almost entirely invited. On the flip side, we'll be specifically there to talk about some really tough stuff. So we're reading White Fragility, Emergent Strategy, etc. and steeling ourselves.

@platypus it certainly sounds like you're doing your due diligence 💜 best of luck!

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